Double Standard - Debra Lefave

I think if the victim had been female, or more to the point, had the teacher been male....
old story which links to the misconception that a male cannot be raped? Or is simply a beautiful face and the Judge's hormones which evoke 'pity' or a softening of judgement?

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Steady on Jorge :)

This predator NEEDS to be put in prison so that nasty and ugly jail-Lesbians will do with her what they want. Maybe she would get so scarred that her prtty face will never be the same...I think she is SO self centered that she desrves some hurt.

Fucking agreed. It is SICK -- not only the male/female double standard, but the whole attractiveness factor. It is fucking RIDICULOUS that she would get off so much easier than a fat, ugly female child molestor. Ridiculous. This pisses me off SO MUCH... you have no idea. BLAAAHHH

What she did was ridiculous and wrong. It was a complete slap in the face of her husband, and it was particularly wrong to have sex with a student. On these points, there should be no quarter given.

That said, this was not a rape, and this was not pedophilia. A 14 year old is not and should not be considered a child. The lad in question was also guilty of adultery, and he knew it. They both chose, knowing the consequences of their actions. There is even evidence that the "child" was concerned about pregnancy. How is that childish?

Both of them should be punished for this crime, and she obviously should never teach again. On the other hand, the whole notion of her as a sexual predator is... overenthusiatic. Protecting children is a good idea, but not if taken to excess.

The notion that she traumatized a sex-drive like a little locomotive young man in his sexual prime is decidedly absurd. Its tantamount to saying the zoo keeper traumatized a lion by feeding him chicken instead of beef. give me a break. Its amazeing what we get hung up on in our society, equaly amazeing what we ignore. I have three words of advice for everyone concerning the Lefave case....GET OVER IT.

This is a double standard. The child although a willing participant can not be blamed. He is a minor.
She should have been put in jail like any other male would have been.

she should pay for her crime,...jails are full,..so she should stay with me till she gets mentally able too go on her own...

Looks like the last charges against her were dropped.

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4664847

i'd eat her twat. she's hot. anyone got any naked pics of her?

man shes hot i wish it was me at 14 with her. godamn id glaze that face w/ my yogurt shooter.

WOW Debra is hot I'd would sure like to be that kid. Come on tell me that kid didnt want it to, he probally got caught and didnt know what to do so he told on her (lil bitch), Debra if you read this post up your number i'm a student no troubles with me shit your beautiful i'll fill your hole

When I was 14 I would have banged this woman in a heartbeat.

It's not a double standard. Sex with Debra is something that ANY guy of ANY age would love, at least for a few minutes. If an old fat ugly broad stroked me off at 14, i would have been pretty pissed off, although i probably wouldn't have said anything until after... getting set up by the feds sucks too, but that's not this beautiful chick's fault.

Don't worry, in a few years she'll be fat and ugly too, and she won't be sittin' so high and mighty.... but sweet sweet moses, i woulda loved to git me a piece o dat when i be just a fo-teen yeah ole. Or even now that i'm 46...........

i just want to sniff her panties....if she wears any!!!!

I just want to sniff her panties.......but i bet she doesn't wear any...hot for teacher

Why are we SOOOO hung up on sex. It's like we have a magic curtin up that says, 17 years and 364 days it is awful and taboo. My god how could anyone ever even think of sex with that person. Then somehow on that Magical 18th birthday..BOOM, it is now perfectly normal. Give me a break. She deserved to lose her job, the rules say dont fuck the underage students. She broke the rules..fine she gets fired. Why is the rest of society so hung up on this. I do agree that it's not fair that men are so overly punished for the same action. That is just as absurd. If a 25 year old teacher nails a willing 16 year old, he deserves to lose his job as well. Again he broke the rules. The lock you up for life you sick bastard mentality is just overkill.

People try to remember one thing. before the industrial revolution hit, and industry needed girls to stay in the work place longer, it was perfectly legal to marry them at 13. Thats right, check your history people, the reason we are taught it is morally wrong to be with someone under 18, is simple so the instrialists of the early 1900's could make more money. It had nothing to do with protecting the females in this country. It was to protect the industrialists that didn't want to pay the higher costs of older workers as the young ladies went off to have families. I sure like seeing people going to jail so those wonderful tycoons of 1912 could get rich and pass that wealth on to the decendants we have to deal with today. Yea, keep screaming foul everytime a 16 year old has sex. Get a clue people. Get a clue. Capitolism has taught you morals. I love it. God bless America.

Umm... it most states, it's legal to have sex with 16 and 17 year old kids. Your arguments don't stand up because this kid was 14.

None of this is really about breaking the rules.....its about everyones reaction to the unpredictable nature of female sexuality and the fascination with it of our male dominated society.
If Debra were male no one would give 2 shits and the case would be unknown.
But she's a gorgeous blond who chose a 14 year old fuck buddy and everyone is freaked out as to why. No one really knows when, why or where female sexuality will strike, and when it involves a hot blond demonstrating sexual initiative beyond what we are all used to....everyone wants a peice of the story.

For crying out loud....the idea that this young man was traumatized is absurd for one thing.
I was 13,14 once....and seduced by women in their 20's, 30's and 40's,...I had a paper route ( yeah I know, that sounds so cliche') at that age I was already 6 feet tall, built like a locomotive with a sex drive to match....trust me....I was never "molested" or "raped" or "prematurely sexualized" by these wonderful housewives. And the sexual expereinces were the most wonderful I have ever had pretty much. I have nothing but positive fond memories not trauma and dark negative psycological residuals that all the pop psycologists swear you'll end up with.
Thats the perceptive angle from wich I acertain these female sex cases .......so you know....its hard for me to feel threatened in any capacity by their hype and hysteria in the media. I'm simply not burdened with the obvious vulnerabilities of the general public. I see everyones reactions to these female teacher male student cases as humerous and rediculous but maybe,just maybe I need to have more respect for the feelings of others.....not everyone can be me right? Cocky, obnoxious, strong, fearless to a fault, adventurous, free thinker, I have to learn to respect those who are insecure, weak and narrow minded. I'll work on it.
.....as far as the authority figure thing is concerned.....I had teachers totaly mind fuck me in a non sexual fashion that DID traumatize me to the point of suicide practicaly....a few times....but no one noticed, or cared, or put them in jail over it....why?....because it was non sexual. So therefore I guess it was more ok for a teacher to mind rape a student like I was by several of my sick-fuck elementary school teachers. But when sex enters the picture....oh hell.....Katie bar the door....everyones colloquial insecurities come into play and suddenly....its now wrong for a female teacher to "abuse" her position of authority, and all hell breaks loose when she exhibits sexual interest in a young stud who, incedentaly, totaly eats it up like friggin' candy. Hey.....if our society is going to protect kids....then go all the way with it for fuck sake.....don't just focus in on what offends you most.....and let the rest just slide....see my fucking point here?....the irony is so thick you could choke godzilla....The ONLY reason that these female teacher male student sex cases are getting such hype and attention is because of our male dominated societies fascination with the mysterious, unpredictable nature of female sexuality. If our society was really interested in protecting its young instead of eating them, we'd do it..... and we'd do it right....but as a general rule....we are failing miserably.
Pardon my spelling, have a wonderful day, afternoon, evening,.

You don't think there are universal double standards that society recognizes? What would happen if a housewife were to do yard work topless? How long before some old biddie called the cops? There are shirtless male dancers on tv all the time, Janet Jackson shows the world her sagging mam for half a second and the FCC has an aneurism. Who would buy a video of college guys lifting their shirts?

I agree one-hundred percent with Brian. No one ever looks at it that way.

It's all about the female sexuality. No one cares about protecting the "child". And that's so sad.

Everyone from psychologist to the media wants to pick apart Debra's brain and figure out why and how the "abuse" took place. But what about the student?

I'm guessing we're just assuming he wanted to screw her. What if he was coerced or manipulated? And do we really give a care about him?

Now that's the sad part.

I read most of the guys saying, "I would have screwed her" "She's a hottie" and blah blah blah.

That proves no one gives a care about the children or the so-called victims. It's just not entertaining.

Sad.

obviously double standards, she was looking at up to 30 years in jail, why did she not get even 10.

I don't have a problem with Debbie not getting any jail time. I do have a problem with this situation being handled in a completely different way when it is a man who has sex with a girl. Recently I heard of a case of a guy in his twenties who was accused of inappropriately touching some girls in his gymnastics class. There was no sex, there was no touching of the genitals, there was simply what was considered inappropriate touching. The guy, of course, denied this, as did others who worked at the gym where this allegedly took place. This guy wound up being sentenced to 20 YEARS in prison. Had a woman done this to young boys in a gymnastics class, do you really think she would have gotten 20 years? So what irks me more than anything else about these two cases is the double standard.

My last post was poorly organized and for that I apologize. Bottom line: I think males and females should be treated the same in cases of pedophilia. The law doesn't treat the sexes differently, so neither should judges or juries. If women are to be given the same privileges as men, they must also be subject to the same punishments. The people who consider themselves feminists seem to continue to cling to the old-fashioned notions of men as always being the aggressors and women as always being the weak victims of this aggression. In cases where an adult has sex with a willing minor, my question is why is it different if the adult is male or female?

Come on now, I know for sure that any young boy would be very lucky and happy to get sex with a beautiful teacher. I know at 14 I was hot for my music teacher -- too bad; nothing happened.

I predicted long ago that she or the press somehow would end up blaming it on a man. Now she is pleading insanity partly because she alleges that the same thing happened to her. It happens every time in situations such as this. The man is vilified and the woman is analyzed usually to find the despicable male behind her deviant behavior. I am tired of it. I grew up in a poorer area of town. Hell, it was common for us teenage boys of 14 on up to be banging some lonely housewife whose husband was out on the road too much. Of course now, we didn't complain.

This double standard extends to the media, jobs, you name it, nearly every aspect of our society. Women on TV can call a man a jerk, SOB, testosterone poisoned, and a host of other clever little male putdowns. Let a man try the same thing and Gloria Steinam and her ilk will be at the microphone in righteous indignation demanding some sort of retribution. Today, I get the feeling that it is some sort of disease to be a man. Have you heard that some feminist are predicting and looking forward to the day when men will be superfluous? It's true!

Why can women get away with this sort of crap? Because they have the power. Why do they have the power? Because they control the money. Women may allege that men make more money but I don't in my job. Neither does the great majority of the working stiffs who are male. Granted, men may make more money in some of the higher echelon jobs. That ain?t me and if you are a male, it probably isn?t you either. The more relevant question is, who spends the most money? There is no contest, women of course. The fact is 90% of the money is either spent by or FOR women. Now which would you rather do, make the money, or spend it? No wonder the media moguls cater to them. They would not dare offend their largest customer base.

A very wealthy financier by the name of Rothschild said, ?I don?t give a twit who controls the politics, as long as I control the money.? He knew where the real power lay. It lies with who controls the money and, for whatever reason; the women control the money especially in capitalistic societies. When things like the Defave episode happens, and it happens a lot in many different forms when women are indulged where men are condemned, I begin to feel like a second class citizen. I know some men will chuckle at this, but you will pay for it and most likely are. We all will.

Last night's Dateline interview with Debbie Lafave was very ordinary and mainly showed her as "still not having a clue".
I don't forsee a very happy future for her new "Fiance".
She strikes me as still being a party girl more than a woman.
Finally, Don't feel sorry for the "kid", he was never traumatized nor will ever be; he worked his way to get her, got her, displayed her and used her much more than she used him. He'll be fine and he'll brag about getting "in her pants" for a long time to come.

He was a kid only age wise, not in any other ways.
I believe that he showed her to his friend in the calssroom with the intent of having a threesome and if the story would have never come out, he would have bullied her to be shared and abused by more of his friends.
Just a typical ignorant all American idiot!!!!
A classic "Whassup" wanna be a gangsta!
I don't feel sorry for him at all.

what she did was wrong. just kidden all of u need to stop trippin on her that little boy loved it dont let him lie to ya. his mom asked him and then said if u did and we report it as she raped ya then we can sue her we can become rich . trust me thats what it was.that boys eyes where on money.

I think many are making too much of this event. The 14 year old loved every minute of it. The main mistake in this whole event was allowing the cousin to get involved. The two of them could have kept this just between them and who knows how long it might have went on. It was the cousin that rapped on them. This 14 year old had plenty of chances to passed this sex play up. Then after, he had his few well enjoyed sex encounters he wants to hang the female that permitted it. I think her punishment was adequate and perhaps even too severe.

my buddy Ej said he would fuck the shit out of that teacher but so would I haha fuck you guys.


(come blow me)

Yeah I more than likely would fuck the hell out of her if she was clean... Chris would hit it too...

C'mon guys, keep the language clean, this is a family blog =)

Brian, if you think that this is a male dominated society, you're living in a dream world. Women rule, and most women know it. Most capitalistic societies are or will be ruled by women. Don't be fooled by the facts regarding who is in charge politically or who makes more money in top corporate positions. The relevant fact is, who controls the money? No contest here. As proof, look who the media, government, and the laws of our country defer to. Come on now, quit fooling yourself.

Traumatised my rosy rump! The only trauma going on is that dudes' blue balls now that he's not getting any with that sweet piece of ass!

Sorry to keep flogging this same old dog, but yes, there IS a douible standard. No, it's not fair. And there was no harm done to the young man. She committed a crime, so she should be punished, but there was absolutely no harm done so the punishment should be limited to a sternly wagged finger. And yes, if it had been a male teacher with a 14yo student of either gender, I would be saying something completely differenet.

If the reason the double standard is accepted by some is because no harm was done to the boy than these cases should be looked at on an individual basis regardless of gender. There are plenty of 14 girls who just want to have sex and would not be harmed by having sex with an older man.

Of course....the problem is determining if harm was done. So the easiest solution is to keep the laws as they are and punish the perpetrator regardless of what the victim feels.

The last time I checked, You can't rape the willing. What happens when you threaten or "force" a man to have sex.... They go limp. The most you can do is sit on his face, if you smother him, then it's murder. I agree she got off lightly, they were just worried about her being too pretty to go to jail.

A 13 year old boy isn't going to "go limp" under any circumstances if someone like Debra Lefave is throwing herself at him. Even if he didn't want it... it's not always about desire.

I'm not saying he didn't want it... just arguing the last point =)

Want to see how the double standard works?

I just blogged about a new case here in North Carolina where a 28 year old male junior high teaching assistant has been charged (not convicted) with having sex with a student.

http://www.rickroot.com/blog/1/2007/05/Joel-Hurley-Debra-LeFave-and-the-Double-Standard.cfm

she's smoking? good Lord she is not pretty at all; whoever says she's hot is a teenage boy. This chick is just gross. Anyway, equal rights remember? She should do time for sure.

You know what I don't understand?: Nobody really seems to care about the boy, because they can see he consented and they imagine he had a good time doing it, it's Debra they concentrate on. But if it were a 14 year old girl, she would be the singular focus of concern. There would be no, "Wow, she got lucky, I bet she had a ball!" or "They were having fun - who cares?" And yet, as a society we recognise that girls mature physically and emotionally faster than boys. So, surely, if this had been a 14 year old girl, it would've been far less bad, wouldn't it? It just seems like one big contradiction.

If this had been a 14 year old girl, it would've been "far less bad"? Are you sure you meant to say it like that. It seems to clash with the rest of your comment.

If it HAD been a 14 year old girl and a mid 20s male teacher, you can be absolutely sure that the teacher would've done time and probably a lot.

Lefave got off easy (no pun intended!)

Here's another case to watch to see if the double standard gets applied.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070918/METRO/709180379&&imw=Y

Sorry, badly phrased on my part, I got it backwards, what I meant to say was: If we acknowledge as a society that on average girls mature physically and emotionally faster than boys, then surely in a reverse of this case we should be able to say that maybe a girl would be in a better position to judge the rights and wrongs of a sexual relationship with an older person at that point in her life (accepting that, broadly speaking, the feelings of the minors are almost irrelevant when judging the behaviour of the adult). However, society seems to see the relationships with the boys as being far less emotionally damaging, and far more 'amusing', than with the girls.

I happen to think that they are just as bad as each other and should be treated the same. But with society's oft-quoted mantra of "Girls mature faster than boys", I find it odd that it when cases like these crop up the idea is never mentioned, in fact, it actually seems to flip around, with society giving the boys the benefit of the doubt as to their readiness for sexual relationships with adults. I personally believe it's right that the issue of 'readiness' is thrown out when considering young women in these cases, I just find it galling that they seem to be 'lighter' on the issue when it comes to boys, at least, that's how the court rulings make it seem.

It's clearly because none of us can imagine a teenage boy NOT jumping at any opportunity to get laid by a reasonably good looking girl or woman, older or not.

Even so, I agree - the cases should be treated the same way. The Stein case will be interesting to watch because the student and the teacher were both older (15 and 31 versus 13 and 26)... but the teacher isn't the hot young single blonde that Debra Lefave was, she's a 30-something mother of two. And, admittedly, a 15 year old boy is probably considerably more mature than a 13 year old boy. The 15 year old boy is also a lot closer to legal (in Michigan, I think the age of consent is 16)